tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post7371690960241574310..comments2024-03-24T01:16:48.151-04:00Comments on Grind and Punishment: Grind in Rewind in 2010: The Top 10 of 2010Andrew Childershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-61580257467906081362011-01-16T09:17:57.365-05:002011-01-16T09:17:57.365-05:00both excellent choices but infernal command actual...both excellent choices but infernal command actually came out in 2008<br /><br />http://grindandpunishment.blogspot.com/2008/10/g-review-voetsek.html<br /><br />and punish and destroy was reissued in 2009<br />http://grindandpunishment.blogspot.com/2009/08/g-review-weekend-nachos.html<br /><br />but i'm not gonna fault you for having good taste.Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-77653704880754718002011-01-16T02:07:14.102-05:002011-01-16T02:07:14.102-05:00long time reader, first time comment, well rounded...long time reader, first time comment, well rounded list, had no idea rotten sound did the napalm thing, hope they ditch the overproduction too.....<br /><br />two for 2010 that got missed, <br />weekend nachos- punish and destroy LP<br /><br />voetsek- infernal command LPPeepeehedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119794779292071501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-82196966543053245052011-01-08T11:36:28.280-05:002011-01-08T11:36:28.280-05:00"damn, if i hadn't purged all that lacan ..."damn, if i hadn't purged all that lacan and descartes i'd learned in college in favor of hockey trivia, we could..."<br /><br />Thankfully, I wasn't drinking anything while reading. ;D<br /><br />[twable]<br /><br />Obscene Extreme's snobbishness makes me sneer. Kudos for McGrudergrind.Zmajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093889738405243944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-26730494710510883482011-01-07T21:31:49.324-05:002011-01-07T21:31:49.324-05:00god dammit we must keep arguing because someone on...god dammit we must keep arguing because someone on the internet is wrong!<br /><br />http://xkcd.com/386/<br /><br />ha. "untru" how very... true. and appropriateAndrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-75598378013211238572011-01-07T19:01:21.696-05:002011-01-07T19:01:21.696-05:00its a very interesting topic I think and it will b...its a very interesting topic I think and it will be something that will divide the scene till the end of time and we are long gone. I will be interested too see how the obscene extreme crowd reacts to them this year since its filled with the biggest music snobs in the world! I think it would be nice if they released something like extortions terminal cancer for us lo-fi grind freaks however. But as we all know these are just my personal opinions and in the scheme of things, they dont mean much, haha.GrindNinjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130714284870931799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-65351687236360660592011-01-07T18:12:26.661-05:002011-01-07T18:12:26.661-05:00Oh, I busted it, busted it right out :)
I just thi...Oh, I busted it, busted it right out :)<br />I just think that it's the task of an artform's leaders to decide how these issues pan out, and sometimes the way in which they do this will take the form of bitching bout bollocks.<br /><br />P.s. I am recently sodding 30 myself so much sympathy :DLuke Oramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848478324564707015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-40055435038869331942011-01-07T17:45:34.460-05:002011-01-07T17:45:34.460-05:00and this is why i love music nerds. did luke just ...and this is why i love music nerds. did luke just bust out semiotics? damn, i if i hadn't purged all that lacan and descartes i'd learned in college in favor of hockey trivia, we could get down to some serious deconstruction of grindcore as both an art and commercial construct. i'll leave that to you young guys.<br /><br />and grindninja, like i said, my first impulse would have been against it. but i'm not in the band, i don't know their rationale and frankly i just haven't given it that much thought. however, 17 year old me totally woulda been shrieking about sellouts. i'm just not that sure mid-30s me can work up the energy to really get bothered.<br /><br />so i guess that circles back to what i said about art v. consumerism. sure, you can say you only make records to please yourself, but if nobody's buying it, you're just jerking off. i guess the question is what are the limits to reaching that audience and how accountable are you to your fans and their (appropriate or not) expectations of what's considered appropriate behavior in that particular social situation.<br /><br />again, i'll leave that to you guys to hash out.Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-84512991292983434732011-01-07T15:58:20.257-05:002011-01-07T15:58:20.257-05:00OK here's what I think about all this arguing:...OK here's what I think about all this arguing:<br />People involved in this music are passionate, and that's no bad thing at all. Sometimes it means their views will be in sharp contrast, but grind is big enough a concept to encompass it all.<br />In many ways I think DxAx and ANb are two sides of the same grind coin; one a Knight atop shimmering artistic heights, the other a grimacing and cackling demiurge that laughs as it befouls the place and smashes shit up.<br />Neither can be taken seriously in the semiotic world of the other and that's what makes it fun.<br />I genuinely love both bands :DLuke Oramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848478324564707015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-74095119631596814472011-01-07T15:19:05.398-05:002011-01-07T15:19:05.398-05:00There is a lot of dick riding going on here, why d...There is a lot of dick riding going on here, why don't you just say what you mean? I'm sure Jon is smart enough to see that everyone respects him for his contribution to the scene and will respect you back for having your own opinion.<br /><br />Magrudergrind fucked up, they may as well change there name to McGrudergrind for an album and slap a big picture of Ronald on the front cover. Corporations have no place in underground music, period. I agree the scene needs to get out and support each other a lot more, showing up to each others shows and buying merch would be a good start.<br /><br />As for AnB and Pig Destroyer, they are both fantastic bands in their own right and Scott Hull is a fantastic song writer. Who cares if someone is a wanker? You listen to their music, not sit down and have dinner with them when you pull a record out. <br /><br />Not bad choices for albums Andrew, I think you left a few good ones out but totally understand about lack of budget! Times are hard and things are not cheap, hopefully 2011 will be a lot better. New Fuck I'm Dead (With a drummer), The Kill/Captain Cleanoff split, a new Agents Of Abhorrence and Infamous Butcher/Trench Sisters split is what I am looking forward too from out my way.GrindNinjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130714284870931799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-46372055810710062822011-01-07T13:11:10.181-05:002011-01-07T13:11:10.181-05:00of course you do, Andrew, you already been exposed...of course you do, Andrew, you already been exposed.<br /><br />"sality"orfeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900371723437997908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-14366376565379360742011-01-07T13:09:51.840-05:002011-01-07T13:09:51.840-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.orfeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900371723437997908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-34635513983534742782011-01-06T21:12:49.188-05:002011-01-06T21:12:49.188-05:00ahem zmaj...TID is "near perfection?" th...ahem zmaj...TID is "near perfection?" them's fighting words because i don't know what could be more perfect... unless it's orphan....<br /><br />wait, when i talk about orphan... does that mean?.... am i implying?.... could it be....?Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-55107474770231017712011-01-06T21:03:59.011-05:002011-01-06T21:03:59.011-05:00Call it youthful naivety or plain ignorance if you...Call it youthful naivety or plain ignorance if you will, but for me Grindcore goes far beyond what was described by Mr.Chang. Perhaps that is due to the fact I was never there when the scene was defining itself, I am one who has learnt about the scene in retrospect.Alex Layzellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285669088354552309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-75931113689074406482011-01-06T21:00:11.015-05:002011-01-06T21:00:11.015-05:00I enjoy all of his band's quite a bit, and I c...I enjoy all of his band's quite a bit, and I consider them all grind, but then again my definition of grind is pretty loose.<br /><br />Anyway, it was all meant to sound much less confrontational than it did. I just like to know what someone's definition of a genre is when they are stating a particular band is not that. It can easily devolve into "because i say so", but I'd honestly be interested to hear Jon Chang's opinion because musically his ideas are pretty clearly articulated.Ryan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-41934256886534586942011-01-06T19:06:35.967-05:002011-01-06T19:06:35.967-05:00Playing FETO on 45 is EXACTLY like listening to Dx...Playing FETO on 45 is EXACTLY like listening to DxAx. It's crazy. And I love it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15703464346535085995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-81025507697305215172011-01-06T18:47:18.312-05:002011-01-06T18:47:18.312-05:00Hey, I'll chime in. I think I kinda agree on C...Hey, I'll chime in. I think I kinda agree on Chang's notions of strictly GRINDCORE and all; ANb being overrated as fuck (Agoraphocalypse? meh) and Pig Destroyer always being pretty much... catchy metal (mind, I enjoy both a lot, and seriously). Somewhat of a difference being that I don't really care much about sound production.<br /><br />GridLink's Amber Gray isn't that technical - it's just about speed. E.g. I got down The Jenova and it is what it is: perfect death-grind, 'cause it's taken to the extreme. Discordance Axis, my favorite band ever, is more than grind the same way that Napalm Death was with Scum, Siege with Drop Dead, S.O.B., Repulsion, etc. I mean - a lot of the time - Discordance Axis pre-TID sounds like a pretty much insanely sped-up Black Flag intertwined with Napalm Death, whereas TID was where they finally condensed the explosion that grind is into its near-perfection, barely subdued into non-noise for most people, or completely understandable systematic destruction for "essential grind" enthusiasts. I consider the essence of grindcore to be bands such as those. IMHO, currently (i.e. for me) grind is the imminent explosion of attempted expression, a self-destructive release, and it must be free of kitsch and, by this very notion, "progressive" (DxAx? Assück?).<br /><br />But the relative subjectivity of all this should be taken for granted.Zmajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093889738405243944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-281291068513547142011-01-06T18:25:34.916-05:002011-01-06T18:25:34.916-05:00I thought the only requirements for grind were to ...I thought the only requirements for grind were to be fucking fast and sound like someone's kicking your head and balls in simultaneously with guitars, vocals, and drums.I, Monarchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-58760772778698686792011-01-06T15:27:29.394-05:002011-01-06T15:27:29.394-05:00i concur with ryans statement.
gridlink is too te...i concur with ryans statement.<br /><br />gridlink is too technical to be considered true grind in my opinion. Even discordance axis is more expirimental grind bc of the guitar work and timing. I enjoy DA & gridlink, but there's more than just grind there.PatrickDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138399896045505593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-84688940146508675092011-01-06T15:26:42.307-05:002011-01-06T15:26:42.307-05:00Ryan, I bought that shirt once on the hydrahead we...Ryan, I bought that shirt once on the hydrahead website and the shirt came without that quote...Most of my reason I wanted it. >:(I, Monarchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-60906751323703579552011-01-06T15:02:48.514-05:002011-01-06T15:02:48.514-05:00Mr. Chang, what I'm about to say is a bit diff...Mr. Chang, what I'm about to say is a bit difficult for a number of reasons. I really like DA, HD and GL. I've written music that has been called, for lack of a better term, a rip-off of D.A. Hell, I'm sure we'd get along, considering the whole grindcore/japanese film/slightly insane thing we have in common... That and number of borderline ass-kissing things I could say.<br /><br />Regardless, I have to say I think there's a point where what you've said is overly broad. First off, while relapse has put out some shit lately, comparing it's press negatively to a car company logo on the front of an album is total bullshit. Regardless of the politics, it's fucking annoying and ugly. As someone who puts his music in the best packaging in underground music, I'm not really sure why you wouldn't see this as suspect.<br /><br />Also, Pig Destroyer, and ANB have put out some debatable material in the last few years, but I'd hardly characterize them as dicks. Granted, you have had different experiences, but I know that Richard Johnson has been nothing but insanely nice and down to earth anytime I've messaged him. I definitely dislike a lot of what jay randall says in general, but I don't think that his opinion of magrudergrind has a lot to do with the quality of ANB of Pig Destroyer. Granted that may not have been your point.<br /><br />In general I'd be interested to hear what your concept of true grindcore is (this was explained somewhat in a earlier post I think, but it seemed more related to process than end result). I honestly think it would be pretty interesting, especially if you think almost everyone is doing it wrong.<br /><br />Please don't hate me... I have bought 3 copies of the "I will liver forever, alone" shirt (lost 2), I've read all your liner notes, I would probably play your videogame if I still had a facebook, and I am listening to discordance axis as I post this...<br /><br />No dickishness intended-RyanRyan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-9273193683700836752011-01-06T13:20:47.764-05:002011-01-06T13:20:47.764-05:00AWESOME!
I only buy select albums from bands i tr...AWESOME!<br /><br />I only buy select albums from bands i truly love. flesh parade is the most recent album i bought and before that it was converge's new one.<br /><br />If i ever get an album out, it's totally free.PatrickDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138399896045505593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-24636895201452977902011-01-06T11:19:29.056-05:002011-01-06T11:19:29.056-05:00I'm way too broke to give a shit about being e...I'm way too broke to give a shit about being ethical and about people making a living off of art, but I totally respect the stance.<br /><br />Also, superjail invasion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-58459814708885544862011-01-06T10:46:47.233-05:002011-01-06T10:46:47.233-05:00i understand.i understand.PatrickDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138399896045505593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-75410744466126328532011-01-05T16:58:52.045-05:002011-01-05T16:58:52.045-05:00wet nightmare, i just really don't feel comfor...wet nightmare, i just really don't feel comfortable doing that. i'll review a download the band has authorized, but i'd much rather have the whole package in my hands so i can experience the music as it was intended. it's just an ethical line i don't feel comfortable crossing. so every album i've posted on so far, it's something i own (i'll admit to a pirated track or two showing up on a mixtape when i'm trying to make a thematic point, though.)Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-81859520410833962872011-01-05T16:10:51.118-05:002011-01-05T16:10:51.118-05:00@andrew childers
if purchasing albums is an issue...@andrew childers<br /><br />if purchasing albums is an issue, you should just download from mediafire(or wherever)for review. Purchase it later.PatrickDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138399896045505593noreply@blogger.com