tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post5877042305937693851..comments2024-01-08T11:46:17.597-05:00Comments on Grind and Punishment: Thirty Minutes or LessAndrew Childershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-61242656103284810992011-11-18T18:35:29.841-05:002011-11-18T18:35:29.841-05:00i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree o...i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this, fishhooks. i actually think pxdx is the perfect counter example to noisear. ever since prowler they've used ambient elements, noise bits, samples and written narrative to develop central themes to their albums. it's all incorporated with a clear intention and purpose.<br /><br /><i>a full half</i> of noisear's album is annoying noise with zero connection to the other half. i just can't overlook that. like everybody else, i cut off the last track when i ripped the cd, but they put it out there and they intended it to be part of the album (again, half the run time) and there's no escaping the fact it's just <i>bad</i>Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-64278487261308161642011-11-18T01:13:17.946-05:002011-11-18T01:13:17.946-05:00near fatal flaw? delete the track; problem solved....near fatal flaw? delete the track; problem solved. you are coming across as an elitist. it's almost humorous as you are anything but.<br /><br />you have over-looked shit last tracks for years - your initial silence regarding the closer on phantom limb for instance...DRJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11522056266367042886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-85847895681037916822011-11-17T23:19:04.495-05:002011-11-17T23:19:04.495-05:00@Dessicated Sorry to be so geeky, haha. Between th...@Dessicated Sorry to be so geeky, haha. Between the electronics I've been building lately, and my housemate's attempts at making a modular synth I'm a little too wrapped up in this stuff right now. <br /><br />@Andrew I agree from a reviewers perspective, but I'm personally really bad about listening to full albums lately. So, there are probably only a few songs from most albums that I regularly listen to.Ryan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-36340259817783479572011-11-17T20:01:37.820-05:002011-11-17T20:01:37.820-05:00fishooks, i completely disagree. "noisearupti...fishooks, i completely disagree. "noisearuption" was presented as part of the album and it has to be evaluated in that context. the thing i like most about metal is it's one of the few musical style that still lives by albums rather than singles. i'd hate to see us slide into that.<br /><br />if noisear don't want their album to be viewed through the prism of a really bad track that outshines the good, they shouldn't have included it. it's not treated as a bonus track. it's just another song and it's a near-fatal flaw on the album. they put it out, so they get to take the criticism for a really bad decision.Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-51448759189161323662011-11-17T09:44:10.690-05:002011-11-17T09:44:10.690-05:00i'm in it for the music. if a band has 40 minu...i'm in it for the music. if a band has 40 minutes of grind that is on point and fits the theme of the album, then make it so.<br /><br />on topic: bonus tracks should not count in the digital age. it takes all of 5 seconds to make noisear's album "acceptable."<br /><br />p.s. the irish odyssey is a good book.DRJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11522056266367042886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-46732578050469456852011-11-17T00:47:04.834-05:002011-11-17T00:47:04.834-05:00Ah, that makes a lot of sense then, thanks dude. (...Ah, that makes a lot of sense then, thanks dude. (And nice, Buchla synths are so sweet. I'd love to play with one some time.) I do kind of enjoy it as its own piece, but its lack of attack as compared to the band's songs has an unavoidable sore thumb effect on every listen.DesiccatedVeinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783531567772825094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-8615895131267133682011-11-16T19:57:48.876-05:002011-11-16T19:57:48.876-05:00hey hey hey. let's not make this educational o...hey hey hey. let's not make this educational or anything now.Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-49606574792378569192011-11-16T17:50:42.569-05:002011-11-16T17:50:42.569-05:00I've got Brutal Truths' Prey as my rington...I've got Brutal Truths' Prey as my ringtone. Really pisses people off.Dead Existencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07168420508069860616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-17322197925234919082011-11-16T16:40:05.919-05:002011-11-16T16:40:05.919-05:00@desiccated Oh, I know what you mean (I go to scho...@desiccated Oh, I know what you mean (I go to school at the home of the very first buchla synth!). What I am saying is that I don't even think there was synthesized signal generation. Although I could be wrong, essentially the way it was described to me was that it was was a series of pedals hooked up together (I am assuming essentially the equation was: cable hum + massive amounts of gain, fed back onto itself, and various effects). There might be some cracklebox there too, but I don't know. Oftentimes EQ filters can make things sound synthy. That and delays. Its kind of a semantic point, so I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it. haha.Ryan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-67853824744223022072011-11-16T16:06:00.320-05:002011-11-16T16:06:00.320-05:00Oh, I assumed they were handheld synths like you n...Oh, I assumed they were handheld synths like you normally use to make noise pieces, that you use to create feedback (I didn't mean keyboards, for the record). Maybe we're talking about the same thing? I've only ever worked on one noise piece with a friend, and those were what we used, ran through a bevy of pedals.DesiccatedVeinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783531567772825094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-35519677911790121132011-11-16T12:59:36.648-05:002011-11-16T12:59:36.648-05:00i completely agree with everything said in this po...i completely agree with everything said in this post. A grind full length should be about 18-25 minutes, half an hour tops.VIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161088726753827308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-49854132959489000682011-11-16T01:06:56.396-05:002011-11-16T01:06:56.396-05:00For the record, they approached Jay. And not to be...For the record, they approached Jay. And not to be anal, but I think that's a manipulated feedback system performed live, not a synth...Ryan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-23462837708096225702011-11-15T23:29:52.457-05:002011-11-15T23:29:52.457-05:00To me, the issue here is quality control and the t...To me, the issue here is quality control and the time and effort strong editing takes. If Gridlink would ever decide to spend the 10-15 years it would take them to write a sprawling, 45-minute grindcore <i>Ulysses</i>, I'd take notice, because they'd have put in the editing work to make the whole thing a compelling listen from the first drumstick click right through to the last scream. Jon Chang's comment about how most 'Link songs start out longer and shrink over time says something about the tough calls that should've been made on these records (for Noisear, it would've been, "Hey J. Randall, don't bother plugging in your synthesizers, we don't need that stupid noise song, we promise.")DesiccatedVeinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783531567772825094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-16526473324280675482011-11-15T16:52:25.089-05:002011-11-15T16:52:25.089-05:00strife: hitch gets a big thumbs up for puck posses...strife: hitch gets a big thumbs up for puck possession strategy and shutting out the hawks. if the blues crush detroit tonight he can have my firstborn child.<br /><br />ryan: once again you concisely nail the point i was dancing around and couldn't articulate: disconnection. i just don't see how "noisearuption" in any way connects to the rest of the album. it's like that bizarre electronic thing at the end of we are the romans that even botch hates.<br /><br />pascal: i read ulysses last year as a bloomsday bet with some friends. i was the only one to finish it. but i'm a total maximist literate whore. i've done infinite jest, gravity's rainbow and the brothers karamazov multiple times. i even made it through war and peace once (and once was probably enough of that one). <br /><br />but i think you hit on something good with the idea of opportunity cost in art. is it wiser to invest nearly three hours in bela tarr's slow moving werckmeister hamornies (oh sweet christ yes!) or take in two werner herzog documentaries in the same span. everything in life is a tradeoff.Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-17912048352082368512011-11-15T16:42:05.284-05:002011-11-15T16:42:05.284-05:00Good food for thought.
It feels like artists ha...Good food for thought. <br /><br />It feels like artists have ever-shrinking attention slots at their disposal these days, and need to make careful choices on how to use them; one misplaced 22-minute noise track in a grindcore album is more than enough to alienate the listener and the game is over. <br /><br />Taking things a step further, I feel that this trend is not limited to us grinders or to grindcore albums for that matter, but touches on other areas of creativity. As a culture consumer, investing too much time on one single offering be it music or something else, feels almost like taking a risk. When you decide to do it, "it'd better be fucking important." <br /><br />Has anyone actually read the entire "Ulysses" by James Joyce?Pascal Cretainhttp://computationallyinfeasiblerecords.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-80927529171038125992011-11-15T11:36:18.199-05:002011-11-15T11:36:18.199-05:00^^Except on noise albums.^^Except on noise albums.Persona 101https://www.blogger.com/profile/00796238405316311282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-46172208578633541012011-11-15T11:23:59.346-05:002011-11-15T11:23:59.346-05:00That's funny, I was listening to Inhale/Exhale...That's funny, I was listening to Inhale/Exhale the other day and it felt like it just kept on going for ages. At some point past the 25 minute-mark I completely lost interest.<br /><br />I agree with you on Sounds of the Animal Kingdom 100%. Also, 20+ minute noise tracks need to fuck off and die.Mossenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-72013838611646829652011-11-15T08:30:38.208-05:002011-11-15T08:30:38.208-05:00totally agree...i feel grind albums should be 15-2...totally agree...i feel grind albums should be 15-20 mins long...30 only if there is another genre mixed in there. 2 min is also the longest it should. A perfect time would be 45 seconds to 1 minutes...I feel like assuck's misery index is one of those albums that is the perfect length. If you think an album is too short....just listen to it again.PatrickDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138399896045505593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-73832827196501985522011-11-15T02:51:52.115-05:002011-11-15T02:51:52.115-05:00I know we disagree about noisearuption, but I thin...I know we disagree about noisearuption, but I think it definitely would have played better on vinyl because then you could have you terrifyer/natasha combo where the long last track becomes its own thing, and accessible when you want it to be (which in your case would probably be never). Noisearuption reminds me a little of Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music", and I think that's the mood I'm into when I am listening to that song. I think the issue with that track is that its so far removed from the rest of the album, and there's actually little connection between grindcore, and non thematic noise... <br /><br />Anyway, I'm really interested in what does make your top ten list this year. I will be very surprised if my prediction for your number 1 album is wrong. I have absolutely no clue what mine would be.Ryan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00392626484931054113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423175970439780764.post-68242795318652008052011-11-15T00:59:30.977-05:002011-11-15T00:59:30.977-05:00astute and good examples. I follow your school of ...astute and good examples. I follow your school of thought exactly, when a grindcore song pushes 2minutes you better be fucking churning out some heavy butter there. <br /><br />Interesting about Inhales/Exhale; I feel exactly the same way.Both them and Misery Index seemed to delve into writing songs that were a bit too long (of course Misery Index ain't the band Nasum was, nor will they ever be).<br /><br />The idea of almost an hour of Anal Cunt sounds excruciating. Have you ever sat through it in one listen?<br /><br />p.s. Ken Hitchcock, y/n?Perpetual Strifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09277776917618955404noreply@blogger.com